Bad employees
A follow up chat to our discussion on bad bosses
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This chat is a follow up to our discussion on bad bosses.
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Employees with the cell phone to the right of the computer, texting, personal e-mails, going out on the patio with their cell phones. Student employees who are so distracted by "gadgets" they never seem to be focused on the job at hand. Why aren't the supervisors addressing this behavior? Because their behavior is identical. -
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Careful Bob! Please don't equate people with depression/chronic low energy as "losers." We can be awesome employees if people recognize the problem and intervene. Obviously, ultimately it's up to the employee to get better, though, and then it's acceptable to weed them out.
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@Michael Olson, MPR News: Sadly, I get ignored. They say "we'll look into it"... but nothing ever happens. This has gone on for over 13 years. These individuals are honestly driving the company out of business. So, I have the double duty of disliking my job, but also facing that my company is likely to go out of business in the next 6 -12 months.
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Employers seem less willing to fire "bad apples" due to fear of being sued. I've heard the excuse, "We need to build a file on them" or "We need more documentation" before terminating an employee. I've seen a bad employee work for years at a company even though everyone knew they were volatile to the morale and quality of the workplace. So frustrating.
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In my previous job, there was one employee who frequently didn't do the work that his coworkers needed him to do but he was often able to keep this invisible to supervisors and managers. He had a kind of rapore with supervisors and anyone else who was higher up. Most people are familiar with this phenomenon as "kissing ***" I and my coworkers all scrambled to fix problems that resulted from his refusal to do his work, which often made us look bad and made projects go poorly. When I said something about the problem to my supervisor I always came away feeling like I had made myself look bad. The supervisor would "talk" to him but no change ever took place. That went on for the entire two years I was there. I work somewhere else now....
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We saw no results from our sales rep after 9 months so we decided to print a 4 month computer histroy report of his activities. We found that he was spending an average of 4.5 hours per day on social networking websites, unrelated to his job. Some days he was spending up to 7 hours on social network sites. We terminated his employment. He was upset. He filed for unemployment and lost two hearings due to the detailed reports of his activities. He was upset and we were deemed the liar and bad employer by him. The bottom line is that "Bad Employers" and "Bad Employees" are subjective terms and one must have proof to substantiate their claim.
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There are 3 kinds of Employees: Shining stars, work horses and dead wood. As a boss you need to polish the shining stars, feed the work horses and burn the dead wood. If the first mistake you made was to hire a bad apple, don't make the worse mistake by not firing them.
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I once worked where one of my colleagues constantly chattered about how awful our office was (yes, we had a 'bad boss'), even to the point of pointing out to everyone how we could do better at competing firms. Eventually he did take one of those competing offers. But over the next few months, ten/twelve (including myself, to a much better situation) of the professional staff left also, in part I think due to his grass-is-greener elsewhere proselytizing. Bad apple employee or career coach? Depends on your perspective!
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While I will acknowledge that I'm not a perfect employee, my jobs worst employee is actually in the upper management. He feels it necessary to micromanage every person in our office, including those not under his supervision. He has created a hostile work environment for every individual in our office. But the CEO thinks he can do no wrong. Two people have already quit, I know of at least 3 more who will be soon.
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Thankfully, this is in the past. I was brought in as a 3rd shift manager of a hotel audit team - one who smoked and slept on the job, and one particularly bad egg intentionally would enter wrong numbers in the computer to keep the accounts off balance. This kept the hotel from starting the new day in the computer, and usually led to me having a double shift (or longer) to fix each mess.
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I just wanted to say I am The Bad Apple I am one of those employee's that will constantly seek out as much freedom and fun possible in the work place. I am an artist and I think I was born to push the boundaries and am quite productive and focused when stimulated or given creative projects but if the system is loose inconsistent or lenient I will take it as far as I can. I believe a good work place must consist of creativity, warmth and a definite routine and system. Workers should have a decent lunch or down time 45 min. wether or not people decide to use that time taking a siesta in their car or eating in a casual humane way. Treat your employees with dignity and a decent wage but like babies have a strict routine and clear expectations. BTW i am infamous for being late, set a strict rule about being late from the beginning if the lateness continues threaten to garnish wages, that will solve it in a heartbeat.
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I was considered a "bad" apple. I was really good at my job and got the work done on time and accurately. My backup was a nightmare. She would make horrific comments and undermine me anytime she could. I couldn't deal with it - and went to my manager - who wanted nothing to do with the situation. Any suggestion I had to better the situation the manager said no to. Finally, I couldn't handle my emotions in the workplace and was constantly in tears - needless to say I was given my walking papers and my coworker was told "good job" I escalated the situation to Senior management - who determined I was being harrassed and in a bad situation - but because I couldn't contain my emotions - I was put on 90 day review and my bonus was eliminated. I stayed at the company for 7 1/2 more years - the other person left four months later.
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I've always gotten outstanding reviews in the 10+ years I've been at my company, love my job, and most of the ppl I work with. All of a sudden, someone I considered mediocre in her role was promoted to manager of our team. I find myself being a bit of a "bad apple" in that I can't bring myself to be happy in our team meetings. I'm not publicly verbal about these feelings, but it's evident I'm not happy. I'm sad that it affects the others on the team who are awesome, but they also understand and echo my sentiments. We are all independent workers and still very committed to good work, but morale in our team setting is very low.
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My co-worker abuses sick time. We get 5 days and she takes 12. She takes her entire allocation of vacation. She could be taking sick time without pay but I doubt it. Our boss (a great guy otherwise) works across the country from her (as do I) and he hates confrontation. There are four of us maintaining an ancient legacy computer system and it would be difficult to replace her.
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OH LORD.. speaking of the "Bad Apple" family member... This is rampant where I work. My company chooses to promote unqualified family over people with degrees and actual skills. It is insanely frustrating, especially when these promoted individuals violate the company codes and screw around all day and NEVER get reprimanded.
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